Chat with Christian Sundberg - A walk in the physical

Hey guys, I'm really excited to be here today with Christian Sundberg and to be diving into an amazing experience that he's had and learning more about, yeah, you Christian, and your interpretation of everything that happened with you. I've heard your story, but a lot of people haven't heard your story, so I'm excited to share your story more. So yeah, do you want to kind of share a little bit from there?

Sure. So, it's very difficult to talk about this story because, as I shared in the other video, I feel like words just can't possibly do justice to our higher natures, to who we truly are. The context from which we come transcends duality itself. It transcends all earth form. So when I used to use words and throw metaphors at you, and then you have to interpret them within your own experience, it's just incredibly limiting, and there's very little we can actually communicate in this way. So that's just a big disclaimer up front because I feel like every time I even just open my mouth, it's just wrong. As soon as I speak, that's just how these things are.

So, okay, when I was a young child, I had pre-birth memory. I remembered coming to Earth. I knew that we weren't from here naturally, that this was a place we were coming to visit and have a neat experience, and I assumed everybody knew that, but nobody talked about it, so I didn't talk about it either. I used to kind of draw upon my pre-birth memory when I was very little, and then eventually, as I got older, it faded away and passed, and eventually, I didn't remember it at all. I ended up growing up with a very mainstream mindset and belief system, and that carried through many years of my life until I was in my early 30s.

What is a mainstream mindset?

Yeah, mainstream life. So, I was also raised in the Lutheran church, and so in my case, I viewed the world in a very mainstream Lutheran belief system metaphor set for many years, which is fine, believing in God and Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. I did, and I don't even say "did" in the past tense. To me, I always knew that they were metaphors in a way. The word "God," what is that? So I pursued a relationship with the divine through that metaphor set, and I had certain beliefs that I had been brought up with about that. I had no memory at that time of what I'm about to share.

So for me, it was like once the memory was gone, I just learned what was taught to me. The church was the place in society where, if there's spiritual stuff going on, there's a bigger context, and the place in society that existed to teach you about that was the church. There wasn't really anywhere else, and that's where they talked about God and the spirit and eternal life and these things that I just intuitively sensed existed. So that's just the way I pursued it.

But then, in my early 30s, I was actually watching a Tom Campbell video because I was always searching. I was always seeking, and seeking is just naturally what I do or who I am. He said one sentence in the video that sent me down this whole path. He said, "What you believe is not going to get you anywhere particularly important. The belief itself is not going to get you anywhere important." It stung when he said it. It hurt my ego, and I was like, "Oh, I don't like that." But when I felt that, a little voice inside me just kind of nudged, "Why does that hurt? Why does that sting?" I was like, "Yeah, why does that sting?"

So I watched Tom Campbell's Spain lecture, and I was fascinated. I bought his book. It's funny because I got the book. His book's a hefty tome. I got it, and I'm standing in my garage, looking at this book. This is before I went down before I had the gun meditation practice or anything, 10 years ago or so, and I thought, "Man, am I really going to read this book? How big this is, it's going to take a while." I opened up the first sentence of the preface, and it says, "Yes, you need to take the time to read the preface." I thought, "Well, this guy knows me."

So anyway, I learned what I could from Tom's videos. I started reading his book, and most importantly, I began meditating. I was not expecting anything. I just began meditating because the first few times I did, I felt life feels really good. I'm experiencing some relief and some things I don't understand. After I meditated for just a few months, I actually had my first non-physical experience spontaneously, and it actually scared the crap out of me because it was so real.

It wasn't like a wishful imagination thing. In this case, I was sleeping, and I was having a dream that I was about to be killed. In the dream, I said to myself, "Okay, let go, leave your body now," because I thought I was about to die. Suddenly, I was in a state of extreme vibrations, and I was awake. I was fully lucid. My body was not awake, but I was fully awake and lucid, and I was experiencing these very violent vibrations. It sounded like there was a jet engine on either side of my head. It was so loud, and I was stuck there for a few seconds, and I was like, "What is this?" When I finally woke up, I jumped out of bed. I physically leapt out of my bed because I was so freaked out by how intense this experience was.

That was just the first of what turned out to be many experiences that were very eye-opening. As I continued to meditate, I didn't anticipate this, but I just suddenly started having memory return to me that I had when I was a child that I'd forgotten. Memory about why I came, what this life is, what I'm doing here. It's been very helpful, and I know why it was very important that I forgot. I would not have been able to experience the trauma that I did in my 20s, which was a very important part of why I came. I came to face a fear, to feel and integrate this very low vibration. I don't know how to describe it, but this certain vibration that had bested me is the best way I can put it in another experience in a past life.

In that past life, I had experienced an agonizing death as a result of what this fear did to me and where it took me. So I now know that it was important that I re-engaged a very challenging sensation of fear and experience of fear in this life.

So yeah, I know there's a lot. What you just shared is really hitting home for me. Okay, so you said you came in here and you had these memories of what life was like before you came in here as a child, right? But then as you started growing up, around maybe five or six, definitely by seven, these memories faded, and then all you knew was this reality that here you are, Christian Sundberg. That's what you are, and that's all that there is.

Yeah, growing up as a Christian in a Christian family, and then by the time you're in your early 30s, you're learning how to meditate, and through meditation, you get these experiences that kind of come, all these memories come flooding back to you where you remember all the things that you did before you were here. You remember life before you came into this reality.

Yes, okay, so share a little bit about that. What was it like before you came into this reality?

Yeah, so it's a lot. It's a long story, and it's hard. It's very hard to share, so I'll just say as concise as I can. So I remember a very long time ago, before I had ever incarnated in this reality, being inspired by a being who had been physical, who had incarnated. The quality of his being, the quality of his nature was so full of light and joy and power. It was incredible, and I was inspired by him to go down this path and to begin to integrate experience. It's the only English words I can think of, to come into experiences like this with a certain level of denseness and to meet them ultimately with love.

As Tom Campbell says, it sounds almost frightening to meet it with love, but love is our true nature. Who we really are, what we really are, is freedom and joy and power and bliss. Then we apply what we are into these very specific contexts, and it's so exciting for the soul to do that. There's just the most profound, blessed, amazing honor. I don't know how else to put it, to be given the opportunity to do this because there's only so many opportunities like in our reality. There's only so many people, only so many things, so there's a limited number of opportunities, and when you're given one, it's like, "Oh my gosh, I'm so honored," even though it could be very challenging here.

Here we are, and for me, because I must be coming from a limited mindset, I'm like, "What do you mean there's like seven and a half billion?" So that's a very small number in comparison to the breadth of the higher realities, and I can't put words on that very well. But the finite net, okay, so I don't know if you imagine an extremely big number, like trillions or something, and you've got a few million slots here going on at the moment. Anyway, I don't know. It's really hard to explain. It's just that from that side, it's just a profound opportunity.

So in my case, I had a previous experience. I took a break afterwards of not being physical for quite a while. Okay, so previous experience in this physical matter reality. I don't know, I was some physical being. I was physical somewhere, right? Then I had a break, and then I decided I wanted to go back. So then I met with a guide. I remember this guy coming to me and asking, "Are you ready to go back yet?"

This is very hard to explain because everybody wants to know what did that feel like and where was that. For me, it was more like reminding me of my own intention. Okay, so like, "Okay, okay, you're right." So then I got with this guide, and the guide was like, "Time to get back to work, Christian. Come on." It was kind of like that, but it's like, so we reviewed who I am and what I am, who I've been, and there was it was obvious the thing that I needed to do, the thing I needed to work on. There were many areas that I had accomplished or achieved, but I had been able to actualize myself in a loving way in certain areas.

I felt there's a theme I need to articulate here. So there's this expansion of being that is integral to what we're doing here. This is so important, and we're all walking around our lives forgetting that we're doing this, most of us. This is so hard to explain, but imagine you have source as a point of light, and then if you can go this far away and you can integrate this experience and fully be here and actualize who you really are here, then the growth of being comes to there.

There's like this opportunity for expansion. What is it? The expansion of what is possible. It's the expansion of love. It's the expansion of joy, lasting joy. It's the expansion of power. It's the expansion of what is, and there's a profound joy that's associated with that expansion. So that's important.

So then, in my specific case, I knew that there was a fear that I had experienced in a previous life that was one of my lowest vibrations because duality itself is transcended, but anyway, I had an experience, a life where I was completely overcome by this fear, and I had been an extremely high entropy person to put it in Tom Campbell's terms.

In my last incarnation, this isn't my last incarnation, this is at some point in the past, and it was like a glaring, "Whoa, I can't believe I have that much fear that I can cause that much damage." But it was a profound opportunity, and this fear was so intense that I remember asking my guide because I knew it would be very challenging, super not easy, but when you're on that side, you know you're immortal and that you're powerful enough. There's nothing to fear, so I'm like, "I want to do that."

But I remember asking the guide, "Has it ever been done in all of creation? Has any other being ever done something this extreme, this vibrational extreme?" And I was shown yes and basically reminded, "You don't have to do it at once. You have all of eternity available to you. You've been given all this time."

I thought, so it's totally funny because right now, as a human, this seemed so alien to me, but at the time, I remember fully knowing with this total confidence, "If it can be done, I can do it. If it can be done, I will do it." It wasn't like a pride thing or anything like that. It was like I just knew what we are. I just knew I had a desire to do good because when you accomplish this as a soul, you're not only expanding yourself, you're helping the whole.

We're performing a service right now. Every single person listening to this video today, even if they don't remember it, is performing a very important service just by being here. This is not the easy class. This is not the place to come for a foot-up-on-the-couch vacation. This is a very intense experience engine or something. We're very intense, very in-your-face. You don't remember who you are. You've got to deal with all the stuff of life. You've got to feed your body, take it to the bathroom, earn a living, deal with pain and judgment and all those things. You've got to deal with that every day.

So anyway, back to my story. I knew that I wanted to engage that fear. They brought me a life that was perfect for me to do that, and I accepted that life. But immediately after accepting the veil, the veil of forgetfulness, which is just what we call it as a word, basically, it's the adoption of the constraints and consciousness space that overcome you and allow you to be fully here. It's like a deep, deep dive down into a vacuum where you are obscured.

All of a sudden, it's an extremely abrupt plummet. It's like taking the blue pill in The Matrix, the one where you forget. You just forget, like nothing ever happened. In this case, it's forgetting, but it's very abrupt.

There's a quote by Seth where he says something like, "To be effective, many of you die and don't even realize you died. You're just there on the other side, and all of a sudden, you look down, your body is there, you're done with your life, and you move on." You may not even notice the transition of that physical death, but incarnation is not like that. Incarnation is very abrupt and extremely noticeable because you're going from a place of all connectedness and joy and freedom down into this tuna can of the human body.

What did you say? The tuna can?

Yeah, like a small metal container that you get shoved down within. Anyway, so in this case, I accepted the veil, and that process happened. But each lifetime has its own vibrational place, the only way I can put it, like its own state of vibration that you arrive to. I assume that's biological or something. There's some state of vibration that you arrive to after accepting the veil and incarnating.

As soon as I arrived, I was overwhelmed by the lowness of the vibration of what I had just accepted, and I immediately changed my mind once I was there. So in this experience, it's actually very emotional, but I rejected the experience, and I mustered my might. I summoned who I am and said, "I'm not doing this." I smote it, and I was out. I was freed.

I knew immediately I had a life review because I had inadvertently killed the fetus that was to be my body, that was to be me, and the mother had a miscarriage. I knew the pain that I cost her, and I don't know who she is. I don't know when it happened. All I know is that I caused a lot of pain, and I knew not only the pain I caused her but hundreds of other people that she would affect in her life in a different way because of the loss that she experienced from me.

I went in with all these great intentions, and I was like, "I had all this positive intention," and that had happened. So I was very disappointed in myself. I mean, nothing is wrong from that state because you can just see everything is well. Everything's fine. It's just a play. There's nothing to be afraid of. She's fine. I'm fine. Everyone's fine, but I was very disappointed in myself in an objective way. I was like, "I just can't believe I did that."

So that was a really good opportunity that was wasted. Before they brought me this life, I remember practicing accepting the veil and going through that vibrational plummet again. I guess I'd call that in the other video a veil acceptance simulator or something. Some place that you go, and it's not a real veil, but it's like the veil, and you have to surrender to it and practice giving up your control and letting it come over you and being fully present with it.

So then I remember them coming to me and telling me it was time. Okay, so they brought me this life. I reviewed it in detail, and I remember reviewing a vast flowchart of millions of possibilities of what this life might be like. Millions, I mean, all within a blink of an eye. It was not hard. It was easy to review millions of possibilities of what could happen, and there were many things that were very likely to happen and some things that were less likely to happen, but it was not really about the events. It was more about how it would be, how I would feel, who I would be, and what things might I feel like, how other people might be affected.

So I reviewed that, and I knew that a trauma would likely be following in my early 20s, which would crush me and help me to re-enter, re-experience this fear, and that did happen. That did happen. I had post-traumatic stress from a health crisis I had in China when I was 22, and I dealt with that for maybe seven or eight years of counseling and inner work.

This all happened before I began meditating because I feel like it was important that I did all that without any knowledge of this, and it was only because I've been able to meet a certain element, a certain angle of this fear, that that memory returned, and now it acts as an inspiration to keep going. My own intent inspires me, even though it's hard. Being human is, I'm not saying being human is always hard, but it has a very high constraint set that goes along with it, and there's a very good possibility for extreme difficulty for many people.

So anyway, I reviewed the chart, the flowchart, what I'm calling it. I remember them getting my attention like, "When it's time to go, like, you gotta go now." All of a sudden, I was timeless or something. I was in this state where it was just, all of a sudden, they came, and it was like, "Now you gotta go now. Now you're on Earth time. You gotta get moving."

I remember these beings that helped facilitate the application of the veil over me and the incarnation. I refer to them as tinkerers because that's the only English word I can think of that kind of matches, but they're beings that are technical in the application of the veil, and that's what they do. What they do is they're able to discern your personal who you are, your vibration, all that you are, and match it somehow to all that the life is.

They do this thing where, like, I don't know, they make it work, and then before you go, they say, "One last time, are you sure? Because once you say sure, this is it. This is the last chance button." You know, I said yes, and then I remember the veil coming over me and surrendering to it and being completely overcome.

I feared again. The vibrational plummet was like, I don't know if you imagine like a sound amp that has a pitch coming out of it that's really high, like a high pitch, and you turn down the knob, imagine turning it lower and lower and lower. After you get to the low point, you just keep cranking it lower. That's how it felt in the being to come all the way down into here.

So I held on, and I did my best to just not fight it because I just knew that as long as I didn't fight it, I'd be fine. They're gonna take care of the rest, and I just need to let it sink in and take hold of me, and that happened. Then I was in the womb for a while, and this part is very emotional for me, but I reached another point where I said, "That's not happening. I'm not doing this. This vibration is so low. This is, I'm trapped. I don't like this. I'm not doing this."

So once again, I decided to summon my might to fight my way out again, and this is a holy moment for me, but the spirit of God came to me, and it showed me who I really am, who we all really are. It was beautiful, and I knew I was still connected to all that is. The spirit basically communicated, "You're this. This is still who you are. You can never not be this."

It's the most beautiful thought to me because I can't wait to be there again, but anyway, at the time, it calmed me. It made me like, "Oh, okay, that's awesome. Great. Okay, I like kind of going." I let myself just kind of surrender to being in the womb, and it was very peaceful and tight but peaceful. I remember feeling just like coming and going, and then the day of my birth came.

I don't remember any, okay, I remember sensations, and then I remember one visual image only from the day I was born. I remember the room after they pulled me out, and later, when I was older, I described the room to my mother, and I drew where the bed was, where the window was, where the heating grate was, where the doctor was standing, and she said I was right. I know it would be, but that memory to me always seemed holy when I thought back on it, that memory of being born.

I remember being intensely curious the day I was born. I remember looking up at the doctors and thinking, "Who are these beings? Where am I? What is going on?" There was no context, though. There was no meaning. I didn't know anything about what was going on and zero. I was just a clean slate, so I just looked upon these beings that were in the room with just love actually and awe and wonder like, "Oh, they're doing something for me that's so wonderful. Who are they? Why do I hurt? What is going on?" It was just very intense.

So that's my earliest memory, and then I don't have very much memory until I was older. I remember this is a story I shared in the other video too, but I remember when I was about three or so, however old you are when you're still wearing a diaper and learning how to walk. I remember standing in my diaper at this couch, and my parents had a neighbor friend over to the house.

I remember assuming properties of the other reality would be true here because that's just how things are, and one of the things that was true there that I expected would be true here is that we would be able to feel each other's emotions, just share our feelings because in another reality, there's this telepathic sharing of feeling that's very normal. There's data dumps back and forth, and you just know how they're feeling and how you're feeling. There's no misunderstanding.

Well, here, I remember telling this neighbor friend, "Watch me dance," and my parents put some music on the record player, and I was feeling very funky. I remember shaking my little push around, and the neighbor friend walked away unimpressed, and it just dawned on me like, "She can't feel what I'm feeling. What the heck? Where am I that she can't feel what I'm feeling? What is going on?" It seemed so alien to me that I was in a place where this was not possible.

I feel like all throughout my life, actually, I've had these certain assumptions that I have to keep telling myself, "No, that's just not how it works on Earth." I don't know, like, I feel like in other systems, your intent is known, and your intent is what's important. Like, if you have a job, and you're arriving with the right effort and intent, that's what's important. Well, here, it's not really about that. It's totally like on the surface. It's all about how you're being perceived.

Another thing was, I always assumed that people in positions of power or authority were beings of great love and wisdom. So I assumed that if they were teaching at my school, they must be loving beings, and if they were the mayor of a city, that must be a really evolved being, and if they were the president of the United States, that person must be the most loving and wise person. That's not how it works on Earth. That's not how it is, especially at the moment. That's my opinion.

So I was kind of dumbfounded and perplexed, and eventually, the memory left me like I said, and I didn't remember any of that. Then when it returned to me, I was just very surprised that it ever left. I was just like, "How did I ever forget that? It's the most natural thing in the world." In fact, the memory is like alive now. It's not like an Earth memory that happened kind of in the past and it's kind of blurry. No, it feels like it's right now, and it's super real, like super unreal, even more real than a physical event.

I don't know how to describe it, but it's not like an earthly memory. It's more like this confidence, this knowing in your true nature and what is real, whereas everything here feels like a black and white movie. It's not fake. It's a real black and white movie, but it's black and white. That's the best way I can put it.

When I say the memory feels real, it's like that is who we really are on the other side. This is like wearing a shirt or a spacesuit maybe. We're like looking out of the thick glass, and we're clunking around. This is not the norm for the being. This is an experience, and the experience is occurring within that which is still there. The spirit, the consciousness itself, is already there, already connected to all that is. It's just like a big illusion. It's not an illusion because it's real. This experience is real, but the content of the experience is not fundamental. It's a non-fundamental experience.

It's kind of like a dream, like a very real dream. It's very intense, and because it's very intense, it has a very high opportunity for expansion, for growth. The further we can go, the more real, the more engaging it is, the greater the opportunity. Many spirits, I mean, everybody, I think that different spirits have different habits on how they approach incarnation, but many, from my understanding, try to do the hard things. They like doing it all at once, coming in and really getting their hands dirty because if they can do that, they know the incredible expansion and joy that is possible.

The guides may even remind them, "Hey, that might be too much. You might want to not lay off that much," and usually, it's the incarnating spirit that says, "No, I want to do that. I want it to be challenging." Well, here we are, and this place can be pretty challenging.

What do you think about most beings on this planet that are playing this game? Do you feel that most beings are given or have chosen to be here and to incarnate into a specific life, or do you feel like most of us are just here, and we're playing, we're fumbling around?

Well, I don't know because I only know what I went through, but I believe it's likely that the vast majority of people here specifically pick their life because I remember the incredible amount of detail that I reviewed this life beforehand with what could be like. For instance, I knew the details about my parents and who they were, not as names but as beings.

It's like who you really are as the being. You're not really the character, so it's the being as the character, and I remember like the confidence my father would instill in me. I knew that would be very important for me because I knew that I would have to be confident, or else it would be almost impossible for me to meet this fear. I needed that confidence to get through the fear, and it would be a tool.

So that's, and then my father did raise me to be very confident. He always, if I may ask, what was the fear that you overcame?

Yeah, and the process of overcoming it. So we like to put words on things, so we like to say the fear is like a fear of spiders or something like that. It's not quite that simple. The fear is a vibration, and if I had to describe it, it would be the inability to escape agony mixed with being too proud to suffer.

It took me a lot of years to finally get to that because we bury our fears underneath many layers, hundreds of layers of ego to protect us. When I first started going through counseling, I was going through EMDR, which is a form of therapy, and you'd go, you'd hit a layer, and you'd find something in yourself that was really scary, and like, "Oh, that's it. That's gotta be it. That's the root," and then you'd find another layer that's even deeper. "Oh, now that's gotta be it." It went on and on and on and on, and it was like I found it took me years to finally re-experience the most terrifying moment for me.

I was in a hospital in Chengdu, China, and I thought I was dying, and I experienced the same fear that I had had before, and it was just really hard to describe. It's a fear of being completely unable to escape pain and rejecting it because you're too proud. I don't know how to describe it, but it's something along those lines.

So the way for me has been, this is a huge topic that we could talk for hours about, but for me, one of the most important aspects of meeting this fear and healing is allowing it and allowing myself to feel. See, we reject things because we don't want to feel them. We're like, "I don't like feeling alone. I don't like feeling shameful. I don't like feeling powerless." Well, this is like the most powerless, like the most extreme, and I'm choosing to feel it, and when it comes, if it comes, and I have certain experiences that arise because of that, and that's okay.

When they come up, I'm willing. I'm choosing to be willing to allow reality to arrive to me how it will, and that's my own walk. I feel like everybody can benefit to some extent to allow reality to arrive to them as it will because reality is not your enemy.

In my specific case, it has to do with my feelings, my fears. I'm a very sensitive person, so I feel like I live in a world that is not really built for me. It's very like on a day-to-day basis, and I'm successful. I mean, I do all the things I need to do, and I have a human accomplishment, but it's very difficult for me.

I found that just allowing myself to experience whatever arrives, whatever feeling arrives, and not to fight it off but be of it and allow it to allow me to feel it because otherwise, you're going to bury it. If you bury it, it's still there. It's still down there, and then it causes problems, and that's what the ego does. The ego says, "No, I'm not powerless. I'm just gonna, I'm not powerless because look, I did this, and I did this, and I accomplished this, and look who I am."

See, that's what no, that doesn't work. You may think that works, but it doesn't work. You feel how you feel, and if the thing is, the now moment is the one now moment. This one now is all the moments, so if in a now moment you experience some feeling, it's still there. So don't worry if it arrives into this now. Allow yourself to feel. No feeling will kill you.

No feeling will kill you, and even if your body would die someday, that's okay. You're gonna die. We're all gonna die. Our bodies are gonna pass. There's no such thing as death. It's just the biggest misunderstanding of this world. We're all running around trying to consume things and avoid thinking about our fears and avoid thinking about death, and we don't want to look, especially in the USA. We don't want to look at death too much. We just put it over here in a corner, and it's part of life. We're all going to pass.

Yeah, we're going to pass, and from there, we're going to let go of this life experience packet, as Tom would say, and move on to the next one. Exactly.

Yeah, exactly. So I like the point that you made earlier where you said it was necessary for you to forget and to come here in order for you to learn something or to experience trauma. Can you talk a little bit more about that? Why was it necessary?

To speak to your question, I'm going to open something up on my computer. I'm going to have to step away. I actually have been working on a book for a number of years, and I'm getting close. I'm trying to answer these kinds of questions in a succinct way, not that I have all the answers. I don't, but I feel like people need to know.

So as I look for that, I'll just say, when you know your true nature, there's nothing to fear. Now, it's not like you need something to fear. We don't need fear, but our true nature is beyond harm and without limitation. Our native being is powerful and unharmable.

So the veil allows us to focus on the physical experience all the way. It allows us to completely be this person, this character. If you didn't have the veil, you wouldn't be this character. You'd be the thing you already are that's connected to everything and is without limitation.

Imagine if you knew that you were connected to the sun. Imagine if you knew the sun was in you, of you. How would that affect how you got up in the morning and went about your day? It would affect that a lot. So there's a very practical purpose.

I'm gonna find this. I'm sorry, this is taking them off. No, yeah, okay.

So I just named four reasons that I thought of. So the first is, the veil allows us to have the very specialized experience of creaturehood and make choices from this very deep and convincing perspective, to make choices as if you're only this human personality, which is the very crux of what makes this experience so valuable. You have to do it from the perspective from here. Doing it from here is you having this experience.

If you didn't have the experience of being Vanessa, you wouldn't be Vanessa. You wouldn't have all the profound opportunity of experience that goes along with being Vanessa. So it's a little bit like saying, "Why do we have to be the person we are?" Well, because that's how it works.

Then number two, the veil allows us to focus on the physical, which is important because if we didn't have it, we'd get distracted because the higher realms are incredibly beautiful and fun and joyful and wonderful. So if you were constantly aware of that, it'd be very hard to stay focused and not get distracted in this experience.

Three, the veil protects us from painful homesickness. Okay, and I say that because the contrast is so great to be here as human that if you're like here and you know about there, it's super painful to be here because you miss there so much. That is actually why I'm very grateful that I don't have more memory like some of them every return, and I'm so glad it's so limited. I'm glad I only have a tiny little bit of memory come up because that tiny little bit of memory equals a lot of homesickness, and I am just so homesick.

I want to go home. I don't even know where home is. I want to go home. I don't know where it is. I don't see it, but I know it's not here. Aaron's telling me this is my home, but it's not here.

Yeah, that's it. So imagine if you knew that tangibly on the tip of your, oh, it's like driving mad.

Yeah, and we've both experienced it. It does drive me mad.

Yeah, I'm sure.

And the fourth thing I'd say is, the veil allows you to have a clean slate each time because if you have past lives, they're not other people. They're you. You have done other things. It's kind of like, okay, this is a very rough metaphor that's just coming to mind, but let's say every day of the week, you went and did a different activity. You know, Monday you went rock climbing, Tuesday you went to the movies, Wednesday you went over to this restaurant, whatever. It's still you doing those experiences. It's not like a different person each day, even though you may feel very different when you're rock climbing than when you're watching the movies.

It's kind of like that. It's like you are still the you between experiences, but what happens is, in any given experience, especially in a physical reality like this where the constraints are so high, we do tend to get hung up in fear, and we tend to get snagged on certain associations. We associate with certain beliefs or requirements or whatever, the ego thing. We associate deeply with them, and many people go to their graves with some limiting idea that they're just really grabbing hold tight to.

So one thing that the veil allows you to do is you start over. You have no history, no context when you come. You're a new person, a new free will awareness unit, as Tom Campbell's term. You've got no baggage. Exactly, no baggage. So that's another important reason because then you're able to just start completely fresh, and then it's a new growth opportunity.

And then when you're finished, only not even when you're finished, I don't make a distinction between then and now because it's now. It's all now, but to the soul, the personality of this one person that you are is precious. So it's very additive to be this now, this person. It's just so valuable to the soul. So in that way, the veil is a very additive thing.

I get the sense, again, the words are so limiting, but I get the sense that we could call the veil something like consciousness technology, something that spirit came up with to facilitate expansion in incredible ways, and it's been refined. This isn't the first time either. This universe isn't the first time a veil has been used, but anyway, so I guess that's kind of like my high-level answer to that question with English.

That's a great answer. Thank you for that. Wow, this is amazing, Christian. So much to, I love the way you put it, and I think that a lot of us feel the way that you're describing, and yeah, we don't know how to create words yet, which is why it's so valuable for you to be sharing your story and sharing your experiences so we don't feel alone, so that we can be like, "Wow, you too? Really? Oh my gosh, okay, I'm not crazy. There's others out there."

Oh no, you know you're not. I really want to reiterate that to those who are listening. You're not crazy, and you're not alone. We are all connected. We are all brothers and sisters. I don't care who you are listening to this video. You are my brother and sister. We're a family, every one of us, so we've got to be there for each other.

This is, and now's the time, and I just kind of get fired up. You know, I walk down the street, and I see people getting really hung up on things and being mean to each other, and I just want to be like, "Yo, you're playing a game. Don't take it so seriously. Try to have fun, and by the way, you're an immortal spirit who's not going to die."

I just want to, but the thing is, as you know, and as Tom Campbell said many times, people are ready for what they're ready for where they are, and that's fine. I know that there's a lot of people that are not even interested in the higher context, and that's totally fine, but I do feel compelled to at least say something, and it hasn't been easy.

I have some in-laws that are very conservative, and there's been a lot of friction caused in that, and you know, anytime you put yourself out there, you're going to get challenged. I don't think of myself as some teacher or anything like that. I'm just me, but I have put myself out there. I have a blog, and I have the other video I shared.

I'm going to be publishing a book, which I intend to give away so that there's not a misunderstanding about what I'm trying to do with this book. I'm not trying to make money. I'm trying to share the information.

What's your blog?

The blog is "A Walk in the Physical" dot com.

A Walk in the Physical dot com. That's right.

Yeah, I've read some of your blog. Basically, the book is from the blog because the blog has been very spirit-led, and I go back and read what I've written, and I don't even believe it came through me, but all I do is I know when I feel spirit come, and I just let go and just use my ability of English, and I'll just write it down, and it's just really worked out.

I'm piecing it together, and one of the things I know I really want to do in this life before this is over is I must get this book out there, even if it only reaches one person. I just know I need to get it in the physical.

So yeah, I relate to what you're saying. It's my roundabout way of saying it, but I relate very much to we need to encourage each other and remind each other of who we really are and to not take this tumultuous play so seriously.

Oh, beautiful. Thank you, Christian. What a great way to kind of sum it up there. Thank you so much for giving me the time to connect and for being so vulnerable and open and real. I truly respect you and value this, so thank you.

You're welcome. We all need to be real. We've got to be real with each other. We can't just, let's think the thing about spirituality. Just make one last comment. The spirituality stuff is not like a faraway fairy tale land. People like to think of science, I think sometimes in religious circles, it's like, "So here we're on Earth, and that spirituality stuff is somewhere else, and it's out there, and I want to go, and maybe it's real. I'm going to believe in it or not."

Now, this spirituality is the search for exactly what is real and underneath all the thoughts and all the associations that we have that we think make us who we are. Underneath all that, the most real thing is spirit, is consciousness, the thing that we are, the thing that is here now listening to this, the you that is here. That's what's real.

So we have to constantly make choices, and we might not have to, but we have the opportunity to constantly make choices to better reflect that in this place because that thing that we are, that true nature that we are, is of love and freedom and joy and effortlessness and openness. It's not what we are. It's not a thing of stress and pain. This is not what it is.

So the more authentic we can be and the more genuine we can be about how we feel and how we relate to each other and about how we take care of those around us and how we meet our common moment, just the common simple moments, there's so much power in that.

I think on Earth, we tend to get so distracted about, "Oh, we've got these big problems. We've got these governments we've got to fix. We've got this." Don't worry about all that. Just meet this moment with openness and love, and that's it. The small stuff is the big stuff.

Totally. Yeah, very encouraging message.

It is, and it ends up life ends up becoming fun and playful when you exactly.

Right. Yeah, I love that video you did of the spider in your bathtub.

Yeah, that's right. I watched that, and you picked it up with a cup, and then you threw the entire cup outside. I just want to tell you that I laughed so hard at that.

Yeah, I did too afterwards. It's like, "I'm such a dork," but you know what, you were being genuine, and you just threw the cup outside, and I laughed so hard, and it was, I just thought I'd share that. That's like the little stuff is what's important.

Yeah, like, I know we have to wrap it up, but it reminds me of a near-death experience I read where the gentleman had his life review, and he saw the most profoundly beautiful moment of his life was this time that he was a child, and he had been on a road trip with his parents, and they stopped at a stop to get gas or something, and there was a river nearby, and he went down the river and rinsed something out, and he had a bucket with him, and he noticed there was a dry tree out of the way, and he filled the bucket and walked over to the dry tree and watered it even though the bucket was heavy for him and uncomfortable for him to carry.

He didn't ever think of it again. He never thought about that little event that he did, and all he did is water a tree one time, and it was the most celebrated, wonderful, beautiful moment of his life, one of them. That was the one he highlighted in his life review.

I think that's important for us to remember because we keep thinking about all these things we've got to do. We've got to make these changes. We've got to pay these bills. We've got to fix these systems. We've got to do all this. Okay, just meet yourself, meet your world, meet the person next to you the best you can. Water the plant.

Yeah, and slow down. Right, slow down. Oh my gosh, yes.

Yeah, and enjoy life and not be so caught up in the next thing.

Oh, I'm so happy. I love this. Thank you, Christian.

You're welcome. Anytime.

Okay, yeah, let's do this again. I would love to do it again. Let's both slow down and make more time for this.

Okay, awesome. Yeah, like maybe once a month, we can have a catch-up. That'd be fun.

Okay, cool. Let's do it then.

So yeah, I'll reach out to you in a few weeks, and we'll schedule.

Great. Let's do it. Thank you, Christian.

Thank you, Vanessa. Have a good day.